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Plot: In London, England, love blooms between an American college student, named Lisa, and a British glaciologist, named Matt, where over the next few months in between attending rock concerts, the two lovers have intense sexual encounters. Runtime: 71 mins Release Date: 03 Dec 2004
More true portrayals of life should be celebrated (by petcrows)
Any movie which tries to show sex the way it is deserves a 10 in my book. I live in a part of the US Utah where many sexually repressed & therefore abused & damaged & deranged people live - where many people live who hate their own bodies & the sexual parts of their natures. I grew up in the culture here which fears & loathes sex & true honest naked human bodies. When I was growing up I hated & resented the sexual feelings I started to have. Now as a mature adult who's rejected the abusive repressive culture of his youth, I am very pleased and honored that <more>
Salt Lake City is as of today 12 August 05 one of the places which is showing this film in the US. I commend the film makers for trying to portray sex the way it is - in a way far better than the fakey nonsense of Hollywood, and in a better way than the fakey nonsense of the crass forms of "porn." I know that porn was a term created by people who didn't like the wall paintings at Pompeii, and I think that non-fakey non-coercive "porn" is highly useful, but fakey porn which has moans and other accouterments which are fake isn't useful. I think we need more portrayals of true human sexuality. It's not all that flashy. It's not fake & restful either. It's just plain old wonderful sex. In "9 Songs" one type of sex is shown - the type where the female prefers that the male leave his condom on long term. But the couple is young, and 20 something young adults rightly play the field, and that's good. Anyway, one local repressed-culture-advocating newspaper in Salt Lake referred to this film as a type of "porn." I would say that it's not, any more than getting up in the morning and taking a shower, or seeing yourself naked in the mirror, or even your masturbating or having sex is "porn." A far better term is life! Sex is part of life. To the repressed repressing people I say: Get used to it! Learn to love it!
Being a fly on the wall while two people explore the youthful extremes of love (by karenrothman)
I didn't know a thing about 9 songs when I rented it. It was so brilliantly acted, I thought the only way this could have been done was if the two leads were lovers and they directed the film. But no, this is real ....sex that is....the actors portray first love in the most truthful light I've ever seen. The fact that there was no script adds to the realism of the film. Both actors give their hearts and souls to this film. Director Michael Winterbottom's idea is genius. In an industry where everything is becoming increasingly "false" Winterbottom brings the epitome of <more>
realism back to the camera. Anyone who has a problem with this film is probably just upset that they never felt the way these two people felt. My only question is, is this considered pornography? I haven't looked up the definition lately, and frankly I don't care if it were but the film definitely pushed the envelope in a society that is increasingly right wing.
Warning!!! there is no love made in this film... for a change (by ChuckReff)
The major complaint I hear about this movie is how unromantic the sex is... A majority of sexual acts, i assume, are not out of love, but merely physical acts. Gratification of sexual impulses plus some sort of human contact and intimacy. Porno tries to physically turn you on, romances try to emotionally turn you out. 9 Songs tries to represent not the love of two people but a relationship of sex. The film opens with Matt's voice over saying that all he remembers about Margo is the sex. Not a lot of heart so why should their sex be beautiful or passionate? You may then question 'why <more>
do i need to see this'... why are people constantly in vapid sexual relationships even though they are searching for love? because that's real and sometimes all that you can get or what you're willing to try for. This film wants to show you that sometimes sex isn't romantic or ugly it just is simple and basic. The film isn't a commentary on their relationship or love or happiness, it lets you experience that little tryst you had a couple years ago that was fun for awhile and then you moved on. Why should you remember that? because it happens to all of us and cinema has failed to show it to us correctly. I think to appreciate the film you need to get past what cinema has demanded we get from films about love and sex. Realize there's something more than what the biased cinema has given us before. It's a chunk of reality without ever-present film commentary. You have to get rid of your hypocritical view that will force you to jump in the bed with someone but then think it's nasty or shocking to see two people naked up on a screen. Take a chance and open yourself up to something that is so revolutionary in its unedited reality.
It seems strange to have such an affection for a film that is so flawed and fails in so many areas. Either way, I really really enjoyed Nine Songs, a relationship drama told strictly through sex. First, we'll list the failures. The acting of our female lead is a bit suspect and makes her, in the end, unlikable. The photography, although intimate and immediate, suffers from it's DV quality and makes you wonder how beautiful this film could have been shot with the eye of perhaps... Lars Von Trier's dogma lense. Most importantly, the movie relies on two ingredients that in the end <more>
prove a bit useless. We are reliving the story in memory via the male lead as he travels through Antarctica. Although it is an interesting metaphor and a captivating landscape, it seems almost entirely unnecessary. We hear him say "you can be clostraphobic and agoraphobic all at the same time, much like the bedroom." Secondly, and most important, the live music is inconsequential, although good. The actual image quality is low, the songs play for too long, the lyrics apply to the narrative not at all, and the bands all flirt with one style Michael Nyman being the exception . I must say, there is an outstanding version of "Jacqueline" by Franz Ferdinand.Now let me tell you where the film succeeds. We experience two young, naive, selfish personalities infatuated with one another, and the idea of one another. This is expressed in the most immediate and intimate fashion: SEX. We see two people in the prime of a relationship, in which the most sex is had, and as much as possible, however possible, symbolizing favors, trust, forgiveness, revenge, and all the other facets of a relationship. These scenes also succeed because of their length, the total lack of music, and the director's willingness to let them exist without explanation. Although these two characters are not even particularly likable or explained to us, we end up feeling as if we've shared something very deep with them, solely based on the extent to which we are asked to hang with them throughout the long and graphic and no holds barred sex scenes.It may seem sick, but by the end, as a graphic fellatio scene ends with actual ejaculation, you have become so acclimatized to this topic, and it being our main source of communication, that there is an almost unspoken dialogue between all parties. Instead of feeling offended, we feel love for the privacy of the moment, for the trust and sharing that happens there. Instead of feeling aroused, we feel compelled by the motives, interested in the roles played and mindful of the moment shared.By asking that you step into a theater, with total strangers, and watch many graphic sexual encounters, many unexplained and without the usual Hollywood ramp-up, you have signed over a certain amount of control and comfort as an audience-member, which in the end, offers a truly unique experience of the "love story". When all is said and done, "Nine Songs" evoked a truly unique and loving response from me, in spite of the fact that as a film, it fails in many areas. I would not say that many films should be made like this, but I would say that it is flirting with a new form of love story that is raw, beautiful and in the end, no matter how many times it fails, honest by the sheer default of it's topic.
When I saw Scorsese's "Last Waltz," I thought that I would never again see a concert film as true. And I haven't, until now.The Band were the last popular musicians to tell stories, have nearly all those stories be in the third person and tell them without irony. To do this is impossible today, or at least non- commercial. Scorsese is a flawed filmmaker, his flaw being that he is overly invested in character-driven storytelling. The two: Band and Marty, were a perfect mix: cinematic rock. Pure, without that nightmare stew of MTV videos.Now along comes Winterbottom. Nearly <more>
all viewers will be unable to accept a movie with sex in it as anything but a movie about sex. Shame on them. Confront it folks. That's his point: why is it so difficult to accept the difference?But the hangups of the viewing public are less interesting to me than the way he constructed this experiment. It is a rock concert with a Nyman interlude . Nine songs, with us participating in the songs themselves, participating in the going to the concerts to listen to the songs, and participating in the experience that the songs are about: namely obsessive sex. And also, remembering or even inventing the memory of the sex, drugs and rock and roll we've seen. This latter is done by our hero in Antarctica. He serves as narrator, by the way.Thankfully, this intense sex avoids the theatrics of "Damage," and works to be as genuine as possible emotionally. Is it a good movie? Could it change your life? Will it change cinema forever?Probably yes.Ted's Evaluation -- 3 of 3: Worth watching.
Do you occasionally expose yourself to contemporary art? Such an experience touches me at a deeper level if I put aside questions like "What's the artists intention?" or "What was the cultural or political motivation for his/her work?" Approaching contemporary art from a more intuitive point of view, paying less attention to the analytical side of my brain and more to how a piece of art makes me feel is usually a rewarding strategy.With "Nine Songs", I follow a similar approach. I don't care where and why the two main characters met, and why their <more>
relationship didn't last, neither do I want to know about all the aspects of their personalities the movie doesn't reveal to us. The film shows us very real, snapshot-like scenes of a relationship.Contrary to other reviewers I believe the character development was excellent. It was not Winterbottom's intention to create an analytical piece of work that illustrates in detail every part of its characters' psyches. What we get to see is the dynamics between two young, sexually very much attracted people, and as such, the play is dense and convincing. It is my opinion that especially Margo Stilley achieves a very authentic performance in her portray of a girl whose emotional state sways between crazy excitement, lightheartedness, sadness, and destructiveness. Confirmation for this unstable aspect of her personality I see in the fact that she is supposed to "take one little pill a day".I would like to respond to philconcannon's statement. Quote: >> "The two actors are unconvincing and the heavily-improvised dialogue is utterly dismal sample conversation: "Those glasses look stupid" "I'm trying to look stupid", "They look ugly" "I'm trying to look ugly" . << Well, I don't know about philconcannon's experiences with relationships, but I consider it likely that a couple in their early twenties doesn't constantly reflect the seriousness of life in their verbal communication. It's the kind of mundane exchange probably most of us have repeatedly experienced, for example as it is the case in the movie during a long and boring drive. A similar dialog takes place later in the movie, when Margo Stilley again provokes Kieran O'Brien by telling him that he looks stupid. Maybe the women is going through a PMS cycle, maybe she is sad and tries to escape her inner self by getting into an argument with her boyfriend. Whatever reasons there might be for this exchange, I believe that it quite well reflects the reality of their relationship and their characters, and therefore the dialog adds to the authenticity of the movie.In regard to the explicit sexuality shown in this movie: When was, for the first time in movie history, French kissing shown on screen? I'm sure that caused a minor uproar at the time, considering that people were used to seeing very sterile, unreal "lips firmly pressed on lips" kisses. Sexuality is a big part of our lives and I give Winterbottom a lot of credit for the fact that he portrayed it as what it is. He didn't try to design the actual encounters as shocking or unusual as possible. Frankly, I think many of the scenes were in spite of their explicit depiction wonderful to watch and even romantic. A definite advancement compared to the high gloss, fake sexuality we are presented with in Hollywood blockbusters like "Basic Instinct".One last thought in response to cedric owl's comment, who quotes Winterbottom saying: "I wanted to make a film with ****ing in it." Well, here is a more accurate description of what Winterbottom really said: I asked myself, why is it not possible to show sex in cinema? What is wrong with it? Not only do people want to have sex in their own lives it is also an openly presented subject in art. No question it is not a taboo. There is a very free depiction of sexuality in contemporary literature, the newspapers are full of it, and so is TV. So, why not in cinema ? Many people considered it a bad idea right from the beginning. With explicit sex, it has to result in a porn movie. I asked myself: Actually, why? How can we avoid turning it into pornography? And the other way round: How is it possible at all to tell a true love story if something as essential as sex is kept out? So we started by trying to find a frame, to develop a story that is interesting, but at the same time as simple as possible."
Beautiful, intimate, responsible. A minor triumph. (by Chris_Docker)
This is a love-it-or-hate-it film, as reflected by the deep divisions in critical response. It is a serious piece of film-making but there are two major components that you may love or hate - extreme sexual explicitness and modern rock music.The rock music is mostly from live concerts. If the music that people pogue and stage dive to is not for you, you probably won't want to sit through an hour of it check the soundtrack listings - Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Von Bondies, Salif Keita, Franz Ferdinand, Primal Scream, Dandy Warhols, Goldfrapp, Super Furry Animals, Elbow - do you <more>
recognise/like a few of them? The sexual explicitness is a matter of personal taste - and tastes in sexuality vary a lot. If you can identify or empathise to some extent to this 20-some young couple and feel comfortable seeing how their relationship develops through sex and rock music you may, as I did, find it beautiful and intimate. The lovemaking is so natural that it is in sharp contrast to the fictionalised and very artificial sex scenes in mainstream films. There's also some wonderful symbolism in contrasting shots and details of Antarctica connected to the daytime work of the main character . It's also a triumph British cinema that the Censors have allowed it to reach mainstream cinemas uncut.
Makes adult behavior safe for grown-ups again (by powelton)
Michael Winterbottom has redeemed sex for grown-ups in the movies. He has discarded the theatrics and acrobatics of porn and, at the other end of the scale, the overbearing artistic aspirations of, for example, the sex scene in "Don't Look Now" which, on a good day, I do not necessarily think was too beautiful for its own good . Winterbottom's approach looks more like what real people do when cameras are not present. There's a lot to be said for that in a world where most directors would be inclined to overdirect. And the interplay between the song sequences and the <more>
sequences when the couple is alone is right. Just as the live music performances trade the polish of studio recordings for the vitality and rough edges of life, so do the sex scenes offer the power of reality--and its imperfections--in the place of meticulous attention to lighting and makeup. Winterbottom has edited rather than choreographed and, despite his success in carrying it off, I doubt that many directors would be willing to take the risk of using that technique.
Should actors be expected to have sex to make a movie? (by pinkwish)
For the record I really enjoyed this movie. However I wonder what actors think about it? I saw Winterbottom quoted as saying in GQ mag that he thought film was lagging behind literature in its depiction of sex, and that this could be seen as a short coming. Fair enough point. However is it OK to ask actors to have rather than fake sex for a film? The consequences of this becoming the 'norm' would be that actors would be expected to have sex to make movies. Is this too much to ask? What about possibility of contracting STDs, personal standards of morality, actors real life partners <more>
thoughts on this? Does this movie reflect loosening of sexual morality in society i.e. normal for people to sleep casually with others who they are not in relationships with the actors not the characters ?When does acting stop being acting and start being reality? You can't after all fake ejaculation. and is this distinction important?Anyway, this movie raised a lot of questions for me but I don't seem to have many answers, I'd be interested to hear some comments...