Best Film I've seen in years! (by christopher-joyner)
If you are an OIF VET, you must see this movie. If you have never been in combat, you may want to skip it. I watched this with my significant other and it was the best 2 hours of our life. I am very proud of my service and those I served with. The movie is incredibly accurate and was worth the wait. If you're expecting a shoot 'em up film, skip it and consider enlisting in the military. If you want to know what battle is really like; the disorganization, the confusion, the odd moments, this movie is it. I can't say enough about the actors. Even recalling the trauma events is dead <more>
on. The girl in the movie was dead on. You don't recall it like a film, it's bits and broken pieces with important details gone and odd small clips like a lollipop that stick. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS FILM. IF YOU'RE A VET, SEE THE FILM AND FIND A VET CENTER.
In fact I expected to see another patriotic movie about "the heroic, liberating" battles of the American army in Iraq, but I was surprised. I think the movie is extraordinary because of the aspect in which the war is revealed. Not about the victory or lose of battle on the field but losing the battle with yourself with your fears and traumas you cannot overcome for life. I think maybe this film is misunderstood to a significant extent by most people who had never been in the army, because they can never be aware of the shock and stress on the battlefield and the anti-social effect <more>
upon you when you are in the army and you don't think about daily problems, but you only struggle to survive and the only hope that keeps you going is one day to get home, see your family, friends, relatives. In the battlefield when your only dream and hope is to get home, you make it perfect and ideal in your dreams, and of course the next is step is the disappointment and depression when you get back and see that instead of sympathy for your suffers you meet hate, instead of gratitude you meet indifference. As in life people forget quick, everyone are forgotten, as all your friends you left in the desert. Maybe that is the strong point of the movie - the clearly universal human reveal of what war brings along and that the romantic and heroic is left behind the hatred and desperation. You are called no war hero - but war criminal. It is also not only government, institutions and army guilty about the war, but all society because it elected and supported this government. Some of my colleagues and some boys I don't know from our brigade, that never came home, and for all young men that never lived to see their home again I rate this movie 10. I think they deserve respect as humans, that went to fight for a cause, that they did not choose to fight for. Better fight for something than live for nothing. The history shall judge if their sacrifice was in vain.
I completely disagree with the negative comments on this movie. Obviously, people who have been commenting have never been to Iraq or know anything about it. I think this is an amazing movie and depicts Iraq perfectly. I think the cast was very believable as "soldiers" and believe that this movie is one for all! The way all lives intertwined and showed how each one's life was impacted and changed. . . was a very creative direction. I recommend this movie to all people, but if you have any reservations about war. . . then maybe it isn't for you. I would think twice before I <more>
started to criticize a movie, though. You never know about a person or movie until you have lived it.
Much better than the rating on IMDb would suggest (by chris-c-jones)
I didn't see this movie in the theater -- somehow I missed it when it came out, but we recently purchased the DVD and I wasn't sure what to expect. When I checked on IMDb, I was surprised at how low the movie was rated and wasn't sure what to expect. Let me say right up front, this movie is MUCH better than a 5.3.The movie relates the experiences of a National Guard unit in Iraq due to be shipped back to the states in a few weeks. They receive a mission to escort an Army doctor to a clinic in another city and en route the convoy is ambushed. Quite a few members of the convoy are <more>
injured or killed and one of the vehicles gets hit with an IED before the convoy is able to escape to safety.This all takes place in the first 20 minutes of the movie, and the rest of the movie is what happens when the group returns stateside, and the effects of this one incident on each of them.What makes this film noteworthy is that it sheds light on an issue that isn't commonly addressed in films about war, and more particularly the war in Iraq: namely, the difficulties that National Guard and Army Reserve soldiers face upon returning home from an overseas tour.There is just no way to relate to what happens in war, the unimaginable horror and sheer brutality and cruelty of it, but yet somehow there is an expectation that these citizen-soldiers can somehow just come home and magically reintegrate back into their former lives as if nothing ever happened.The movie shows so beautifully how it is probably often not possible for this to happen because people who have lived through these kinds of experiences are changed forever. More to the point there's no way for them to relate the experiences they had "over there" to anyone who hasn't been through it themselves, so the sense of isolation and abandonment is profound. At the end of the movie, one of the characters comes to the conclusion that the only place where he even feels "normal" anymore is back in Iraq, and he re-enlists for another tour, choosing the comfort of hell over the agony of pretending everything is okay.War IS hell, there's no denying it, and our amazing heroes in the Armed Forces have been living with this for years now, thankfully with steady backing and support from the rest of the country. But as the Reserve Components of our military are increasingly taking on a heavier and heavier burden of the war effort, I think we will start to see the effects of just how hard things for our soldiers over there are becoming. As the people coming home from war are not returning to duty at military bases, but are coming back home to their former civilian communities, civilian lives and jobs, increasingly the effects the war has on its participants will be something that will be harder and harder to ignore.
The aftermath of war and potential redemption (by sneakypetegb)
The story addresses post-war readjustment challenges faced by returning combatants and their families, e.g., not only where they may then fit in society but, more importantly, how. The setting is contemporary--Iraq--but the application is universal ... guilt and anger, for instance, permeating the film, and frustration.As a combatant myself, you'll see the universality I've suggested in other writings such as the need for absolution vis-a-vis forgiveness via, for example, the moral conundrum of killing other humans , escapism and reticence.... And stupidity, too, for instance on the <more>
part of one former employer who HAD to ask one of the vets if he'd killed anyone, a bureaucratic VA physician who couldn't have been more matter-of-fact, a clueless father, and therapists who don't seem to have a clue, either given my earlier observation about credibility, a critical requirement in the therapeutic environment .Two of the most profound--if nuanced--qualities woven throughout, though, are emotional "numbing" suppression , and the sense combatants often feel of detachment and isolation from those otherwise closest to them, and from the "normal" environment into which they've returned, but also their bond, through common experience, with one another. The additional commentary also is insightful and therefore useful. If you see this movie, too, you'll also see an intervention as I found myself doing for others in Wyoming though mine had better outcomes , and how police bungled it when salvation was at hand thus wresting defeat from the jaws of victory. Also emphasized--if understated--throughout are the sophisticated psycho-dynamics of war and the relationship of OUR warriors with OUR Society. Co-producer-director-co-writer Irwin Winkler deserves credit, too, for allowing body language and silence to speak where words might fail.Despite the film's dismal critical and financial performance, to me, it's a movie more to study than to watch for any entertainment value. It's more sophisticated than is evident at first viewing, and I personally feel that the primary target audience should be non-combatants though certainly veterans can relate and empathize. It brought a flood of memories back, not only "snapshots" but attendant feelings thus was it a "moving" experience for me, for instance Jackson's character's admission, at the end of the film, as to his feelings of failure to save lives his character a doctor thus helplessness and guilt.I think it's a remarkable flick, quite sealed by the ironic Machiavelli-attributed quote at its very end.
Powerful, Emotional , Personal .......A Beautiful Film (by kid-finley)
I just Finished watching this film on pay TV and i think it was a very emotional and powerful piece of film making. Its hard reading some of the negative comments on here, particularly to do with the Characters. I personally feel all the actors performed very well in the portrayal of these Soldiers returning home from Iraq.I think many people would be confused with these characters because essentially the characters themselves are confused with who they are and what they have returned too. The film itself seems at times alittle unstructured but this is the point. These characters have <more>
returned home from service and are completely unstructured in a very emotional way, being haunted by the memories of Iraq.Many reviews say the war scenes are cheesy and badly down, but this is NOT a War film, it is a drama based around characters that have experience many different emotional and physical scars from war.The pace of this film at times is slow, but this reflects the slowness of the Characters adjusting to their lives, which are not new to them, but have changed due to their experiences.The only negative thing i would draw out of this is that the Cover does not reflect what this movie is about. It make it look like an action war film, which this film certainly is not.Verdict I really enjoyed this film, it was a deeply emotional film to watch and was in my mind simply beautiful. Beautiful characters trying to deal with a life they once new so well, adjusting back into the life they went to protect.If you want to feel something from a movie and particularly from a host of raw characters, i recommend you watch this.9/10
Are you choosing, are you thinking, are you grown up? Then... (by swearm_x)
...this film might be something for you. This film and these partly very useless comments to it made me take part in this commenting "show" for the first time.Choosing: Are you choosing the films you watch or just sitting, waiting looking on a picture on the cover, consuming? Of course it's not Apocalypse now or Rambo 1, but it doesn't want to! Read the backside of the DVDs or the summary for the cinema show!Thinking: If you're waiting for clichés to be filled. Maybe you're the racist seeing here betrayal by the white man like some commentator here . Actually there <more>
are two black and two white. All can't deal with it. Seeing the real statistics in the army there should be an other spreading, right? So the so called "clichés" here are reality - like it or not. That's what's the film about. One has to be "ultimate looser". Black, white, man, woman. Make your mind clear of it on your part...Disrespect only people, who disrespect others also by obeying the fossil death-penalty - so much for the regarded politics.So, if you ARE GROWN UP, you could have should have the ability to see, that they don't want to show, how many people are getting out of war well, how many not. BUT, how DO people, OF COURSE NOT ALL, but quite a bit come out of it. AND Machiavelli, like him or not, was a real realist, a Machiavellian, unscrupulous, down-and-dirty realist - not even malicious though. And everybody outside said it before the Iraq war as he did cited on the end of the film : you can choose to start a war, but you can't be sure of its ending. That's a warning. Not more not less.This film shows victims - Iraqy, American....kind of realistic. Very well played! Especially Jackson and Biel. 50c was good, too I think. THEY DON't REPRESENT America - AS NOBODY DOES THAT REALLY - BUT THEY GIVE YOU A GLIMPSE ON SOMETHING WHAT's GOING ON, A GLIMPSE OF REALITY YOU DON'T GET ON FOX OR LOCAL RADIO.
They do come home: maimed and haunted and f*cked up. (by lastliberal)
The key to this film is the scene where Vanessa Jessica Biel and Tommy Brian Presley meet in the theater. They exchange psychotropic information and sit down and talk like they have know each other their entire lives. The fact that they are strangers is irrelevant because they have more in common now that with those they have really known.If you haven't been there, you can't possible understand. It doesn't matter whether you are Will's Samuel L. Jackson wife or Tommy's father. You just can't know.So, you work through the pain yourself while causing damage to your <more>
family, or sometimes you can't get through it, like Jamal 50 Cent , before some trigger-happy cop does what the Iraqia couldn't.This was a subtitle film with a beautiful soundtrack that really set the mood. It wasn't cartoonish like some of the post-Vietnam pictures. It showed the pain of return. Some win, some lose, some run away.Highly recommended.
I write the following as a Canadian on June 20 2008. Looking at the voting statistics as an ex-professor of Statistics, I noticed a strange phenomenon. 1- The voting is spread out between '0' worst at 12.1% and '10' best at 12.9%, the average being 5.6 This is already an indication that something is wrong. 2- The strangest discrepancy occurs in the way women voted. There seems to bee a double generational gap here. Women under 18 gave the highest average rating of all categories at 7.6, women aged 45 or more gave the second highest average rating of all at 7.4. But it is <more>
the women aged between 30 and 44 who gave the lowest average rating of all, at 4.6. What gives? Is *this* the 'ME' generation? The fact that the women aged 30-44 are the most likely to be rearing children is, to me, *very* worrying. Clearly, there are still unresolved social problems within American society, but I am not an sociologist and hesitate to propose an explanation for this. It does seem, however, that the discrepancy has something to do with the race problem AND with the war in Irag AND that there seems to be an interplay between these two problems. I gave the film a rating of '8'. That is perhaps a bit high, from a strictly cinematic viewpoint. What I liked to most is that the film reminded me of one of my favorite dictums, namely that,"Gratitude is something one gets for services not rendered YET." Take care.